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MessageSujet: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 4:24 pm

ANALYSE le 30 Mai 2006: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?


Beaucoup de gens pensent sans doute que l’évènement s’est évanoui et qu’il est temps de retourner à la normale.

J’ai beaucoup de mal à ce faire quand je pense à tous les rêves et signes dont j’ai été témoin et qui présagent un cataclysme. Quel sens auraient autrement tous ces avertissements ? Comment discerner un évènement futur?

Hier, il m’est venu a l’esprit d’utiliser l’astrologie et en particulier les Symboles Sabiens afin d’évaluer des évènements possibles dans le futur proche. Un évènement majeur semble se détacher. Voir le document ci-dessous : « Un indice parmi les étoiles? ».

ANALYSE le 27 Mai 2006: un indice quand a la date de l'évènement.


Ce qui avait été posté ici a l’origine s’est révelé ne pas être très significatif, et a été recopié texto sur la fin du document "Pourquoi je crois que l'on doive faire attention à Eric Julien et son message." -- Craig Boswell :?:
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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 4:28 pm

Note: Le texte a été copié sur le site de Éric Julien.
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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 5:15 pm

Merci pour l'info Marie :-)
Mais il est où : Voir le document ci-dessous : « Un indice parmi les étoiles? ».
Je vois rien ????

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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 5:31 pm

Désolée anglais seulement

A Clue from the Stars While I make no claim to be a professional astrologer, or even a very
competent amateur, I do have some experience with the Sabian
Symbols and know that these can often speak volumes about certain
dimensions of a chart. In the midst of our uncertainty over the
manifestation of Eric s prediction, and over what so many others have
dreamt about, I was reminded yesterday to examine the Sabian
Symbols in the current and near-future planetary configuration to see
whether anything stood out.
I had already noticed last week that some of the symbols for May 25th
were quite interesting. I had meant to write something up on these,
but had lacked the time.
The Sabian Symbols are a set of symbolic scenes and interpretations,
one for each of the 360 degrees of the zodiac. They are used to
interpret the meaning of particular planetary positions in an
astrological chart. They were obtained in 1925 by the American
astrologer Marc Edmund Jones from a California clairvoyant named
Elsie Wheeler. Reworked by the famed Dane Rudhyar in An
Astrological Mandala and more recently re-examined in depth by
Martin Goldsmith in his work The Zodiac by Degrees, they are used by
a number of astrologers.
In looking for a near-event, it was clear that the Sun degree and
symbol would play a major role. I looked at the upcoming symbols for
the Sun. On Tuesday, May 30th, the Sun was on the ninth degree of
Gemini, A quiver filled with arrows . Note that one normally rounds
positions up to the nearest degree when looking up a symbol. 0
degrees 30 minutes is halfway through the first degree.
The next degree, ten Gemini, has for symbol An airplane performing a
nose dive . This immediately brought to mind the first dream I had on
the subject of the event, on January 18th, 2004. I had never quite
understood why I saw airplanes pitching towards the earth, even much
later when it became clear that a comet was going to be involved. I
had always felt uneasy with that dream symbol, as if my unconscious
had used poor imagery. I had failed to consider that it knew full well
what it was doing, and that it was perhaps giving me a clue as to when
this would happen, using a symbol which I had known for many years.
Were there any other symbols that were likely? I looked ahead
through the Gemini degrees for something that bore passing
resemblance to a comet nothing else stood out. The nose-diving
plane was therefore the candidate, particularly since it was coming up
on May 31.
Of course, when building a chart, an astrologer usually has the exact
place, date and time; all I had for sure was the date, determined by
my interest in the 10 Gemini position of the Sun. I decided to do a
chart for the location that Eric Julien had pinpointed in the Atlantic,
which seemed to be as good a place as any.
I then looked over the symbols presented by Mercury, Venus and Mars
during that period of roughly 24hours. The slower planets, from
Jupiter on out, did not change degrees during the day under
consideration, and I already knew from last week that those slower
planets had interesting symbols associated with their positions. On
the other hand, the faster planets all changed degrees once or even
twice during the time that the sun was on 10 Gemini.
I also looked at the thirteen symbols covered by the moon during that
one day (the moon changes signs every 2.5 days and only spends
about two hours on each degree) and when I did this, a couple of
degrees stood out. For one thing, there was 21 Cancer, A famous
singer is proving her virtuosity during an operatic performance . I had
been e-mailing friends with the old adage It isn t over until the fat
lady sings , and this was a humorous reminder of the same. I then
noticed that the moon would conjunct Mars during the 24hour period
being examined and that this would be its main aspect during the 10
Gemini period. With the Moon ruling the earth s oceans, and Mars
being god of war, this looked interesting. I drew up a chart for the
exact conjunction at the location specified by Eric. Now I had a
candidate for an exact time. Saturn s position at that time caught my
eye: it was spot on the transition point from 7 to 8 Leo. During the 24
hour period when the Sun was on 10 Gemini, Saturn would move from
6 Leo 56 to 7 Leo 02, in other words six minutes of arc, covering each
minute in about four hours. At the exact time of the Moon-Mars
conjunction, Saturn would be switching degrees. This was not to be
ignored, particularly since 7 and 8 Leo both fit quite well with the
situation. A glance at the chart also showed the Sun on the cusp of
the third house (breaking news about the comet?), Jupiter on the cusp
of the eight (the expansive principle entering the house of deep
transformation, of death and rebirth), and the Moon-Mars conjunction
on the cusp of the powerfully creative fifth house, with Mars ruling the
Aries ascendant. The Sun and Chiron were in an exact trine, down to
the minute of arc, again a dead giveaway that something noteworthy
was at work here. It suggested, among other things, that whatever
the Sun s activity in this nosedive, it was going to involve the
wounding of large numbers of people, Chiron being both in the 11th
house and in Aquarius, in opposition to Saturn and square the Jupiter
of transformation. All the houses were in their natural signs, which
meant that most of the planets were doubling up house and sign
influence. For example, Jupiter was both in Scorpio and on the cusp of
the eight house. This also meant that the interpretation of the Sabian
symbols would be emphasized, as the secondary and primary degree
symbols would be identical (see end of Goldsmith s book for
explanation). Out of the whole chart, only Venus would have a
secondary symbol.
There are actually several other charts of interest while the Sun is on
10 Gemini, based on other aspects the Moon makes during its 13
degree transit. There is an inconjunct with Neptune six clock minutes
after the start, an inconjunct with Pluto 3 hours and 50 minutes before
the Mars conjunction, a square to Venus 15 clock minutes before the
Sun leaves 10 Gemini. These would all be worth looking at. The
closing chart is also very instructive unfortunately so. However, I
should begin with the most important aspect, the conjunction with
Mars. I would hazard a guess that with Mars and Moon on the cusp of
the fifth house, it could represent the creation of the storm.
I could spend several hours preparing and explaining this chart, time
which is unavailable at present. If this turns out to be a significant
chart, other astrologers can do a far better job than I explaining its
significance. It would appear to be the most interesting event during
the 24 hour period that the Sun is on 10 Gemini. The time of the
event is 4:42 GMT on May 31.
I will briefly cover the Sabian Symbols for the planets and angles to
give a quick idea of the energies involved.
Sun 1 0 Gemini, An airplane per forming a nose dive . In my
very first dream on the subject, on January 18th, 2004, I had seen
several jetliners diving from the sky. Rudhyar notes This is the final
stage of the fourteenth sequence. The symbol for it has a strong
sense of finality. No possibilities of half measures exist. Man is
committed irrevocably to success or failure at least as a conscious
and self-reliant mind. The alternatives are clear-cut. One may
describe it as Mind vs. Matter, or as Man s will against the fate the
gravitation so aptly symbolizes. (Note that Rudhyar s stages operate
in groups of five.)
Martin Goldsmith s remarks on this degree include the words meteoric
success vs. crashing and burning . He notes that Chiron was on this
degree when Challenger blew up, and that Venus was on this degree
at the time of the first atom bomb test (Trinity) on July 16, 1945.
Here, from the very start, we have confirmation of imagery tying the
symbol to a meteor, space travel and nuclear war all important
elements in the equation laid out by Eric Julien.
Moon 2 8 Cancer An I ndian gir l int roduces her w hite lover to
her associated t r ibe.
Goldsmith notes Insistent attempt to get through to others , which
may apply to the Extra-Terrestrials in this case. It is certainly a
symbol of bridging of cultures. Rudhyar writes Inner rebirth through
a total acceptance of the primordial values manifest in the human
body and its natural functions. ( ) The soul or in Jungian terms, the
anima is leading the sophisticated and colorless (white) intellect to
a level of consciousness at which man can again operate in tune with
the vast process of the biosphere and recover the simplicity and the
inner peace with city life and business deny.
It is interesting to note that the previous degree (the one that has
been completed and which is still at the root of the position 27 degrees
51 minutes of Cancer) is A violent storm in a canyon filled with
expensive homes. I see this event as so powerful that the preceding
degrees seem to chime in or resonate with the whole. Note that the
American president George W. Bush has Saturn on this degree. It
may explain his rigidity in defending the interests of the rich. If this
event occurs, it will certainly be the greatest test (Saturn) that he (and
the nation) has ever been subjected to, and it will be karmic, as his
natal Saturn is in the 12th house.
Mercury 24 Gemini Children skat ing over a frozen village
pond . Goldsmith s reformulated degree reads An ar t ist is
painting a strangely compelling alien landscape, pausing
occasionally to speak about her work to an interested
bystander .
A lot can be said about this degree. One can think of innocence and
skating on thin ice, of a situation taking shape. Regarding the
following degree, which Mercury moves into at 06:21 GMT, while the
Sun still has five hours left on the meteor degree, Goldsmith on 25
Gemini notes Sticking to one s plan vs. scrambling to deal with
unforeseen circumstances.
Venus 2 Taurus An elect r ical storm , or for Goldsmith A satyr
caper ing in the midst of an elect r ical storm .
Goldsmith writes Separating the living from the dead by seeing who
responds to a vital new element.
Rudhyar gives it a keynote of The cosmic power able to transform all
of the implications of natural existence. ( ) Back of every natural
self-expression stands the tremendous power of the Soul-field , itself
but one of the myriad aspects of the Creative Word that is the origin of
this universe. At certain times, this power compels the natural earthconditioned
personality to accept, perhaps in awe, the spiritual
potentialities of its higher celestial destiny. This experience of power
can both illumine and shatter.
Mars 28 Cancer (see Moon degree)
Jupiter 1 1 Scorpio A drow ning man is being rescued
This is a very telling symbol. Jupiter on this degree (on the cusp of
the 8th house of death) suggests that many will die (Jupiter is
expansion) and many will rush to rescue. Note that Jupiter was not on
this degree on May 25th.
Saturn 7 Leo A man contemplates the Great Pyramid on a
clear and star ry night
8 Leo A communist act ivist spreading his revolut ionary
ideals
Saturn is exactly transitioning from the seventh to the eighth degree
of Leo. Saturn represents testing, difficulty, limitation. It is the harsh
taskmaster, the test-giver. Of 7 Leo, Goldsmith writes Sense of
wonder in the face of (the) universe; ( ) macrocosm-microcosm
issues; world empire
expanding one s country s boundaries vs.
seeing that even the most glorious civilizations eventually return to
sand; fear of being obliterated by the sands of time;
Regarding 8 Leo, Rudhyar states: This symbol, beyond all presentday
socio-political controversy, represents the activity of destructive or
catabolic forces (one aspect of the Indian god Shiva) (...) The old
order is confronted by the youthful drive for a new way of life and a
new sense of values. As the old order refuses to yield its prerogatives,
this refusal polarizes violent revolutionary action. The revolutionary
may have beautiful dreams of a classless society free from greed and
harsh struggles for survival, but the first practical result of his activity
almost inevitably appears as chaos . Yet chaos is a state of being that
calls for a new descent of the power to reorganize and differentiate.
Alas, such a descent most often is still based on old concepts, and one
witnesses a struggle for personal and dictatorial power.
This degree, significantly, is George W. Bush s ascendant in the chart
given by Lois Rodden s Astrodatabank. The ascendant can be thought
of as the way he manifests and acts. It is also the collective body of
the country, since he is its representative. Saturn conjunct the
ascendant suggests difficult challenges to the body.
Uranus 1 5 Pisces An officer inst ruct ing his men before a
simulated assault under a bar rage of live shells.
Uranus is the planet associated with sudden and unexpected change.
Neptune 2 0 Aquar ius White dove bear ing a message
Neptune is of course the god of the sea. The tie-in with the flood
symbolism is clear. Goldsmith s remarks in particular are very
interesting.
Pluto 26 Saggitar ius A flag-bearer in a bat t le
Pluto god of the underworld, master of utter and total
transformation, here is the flag-bearer. 26 Saggitarius is also the
degree for the Galactic center, thought to be the source of energy fed
from the galaxy to all systems in it. The parallel with Eric Julien s
message is obvious forces from the center of the galaxy are leading
the battle to bring us transformation.
Nor th Node 2 Ar ies A comedian reveals human nature
South Node 2 Libra (the original symbol obtained by M.E. Jones
read The light of the sixth race t ransmuted into the seventh. )
Note that Goldsmith indicates that the mean node (used here) is the
one which seems to work with the Sabians, rather than the true node.
The ascendant, descendant, midheaven and IC degrees are all quite
interesting as well, which seem to confirm the location and exact time.
One interpretation that Goldsmith gives for the 4 Capricorn Midheaven
degree is that of men on a boat on the river Styx, which the souls
crossed on their way to the underworld at death. He also gives the
degree a new meaning as Pandora s box.
With reference to the chart of the United States, we find exact aspects
between the Sun on 10 Gemini and the U.S. Uranus, suggesting that
the comet will bring sudden change to the U.S. The Moon-Mars
conjunction creates an exact inconjunct with the U.S. natal Moon. And
the U.S. natal Jupiter conjuncts exactly the IC of this chart.
All possibilities are open. Nothing may happen at 4:43 am GMT on
May 31, at 25 N latitude and 45 W longitude. If something does, it will
bear the qualities displayed in the chart.
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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 7:34 pm

Bref ce que je retiens c'est qu'il ne s'est rien produit pour cette fois... Technique employée depuis toujours par les annonciateurs de catastrophes en tout genre... Suspect
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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 7:51 pm

Donc d'après Craig Boswell, l'évènement arrivera à 4:42AM GMT, c'est à dire dans un peu moins de 3 heures...

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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 8:21 pm

Y'aura riennnnn, arrêtez de perdre votre temps. C'est un canular total.
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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 8:41 pm

C'est sûr et évident que c'est un canular complet! Et Eric Julien n'y participe même plus ! lolll

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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 8:42 pm

Pendant que nous attendons qu'une catastrophe arrive, en Indonésie des malheureux attendent des secours !!!
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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 9:13 pm

Un canular généralement, c'est drôle... Mais là ça me donne envie de pleurer Razz
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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 9:17 pm

Mais pourquoi ça te donne envie de pleurer ???

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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 9:59 pm

Parce que ça devient pathétique...

42 minutes avant l'évènement mystérieux!
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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mar 30 Mai 2006, 10:10 pm

Ouais, ça pas d'allure toute cette histoire là!
Ils seraient mieux de tout fermer le site Savelives et tout. Franchement, ils font durs!
C'est pathétique en effet....

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MessageSujet: Re: Les étoiles ont-elles la réponse ?   Mer 31 Mai 2006, 3:22 am

moi ça commence serieusement a me pomper l'air Evil or Very Mad
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